[104], The automatic stabilizer control system has been enhanced to include Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) in addition to Speed Trim System (STS). United expects to have 10 737 MAX aircraft in its fleet by the end of this year. If you'd like to participate in the discussion, please adhere to our commenting guidelines. [125] In October 2020, Southwest announced that it was considering the Airbus A220[relevant? [43], On September 23, 2015, Boeing announced a collaboration with Comac to build a completion and delivery facility for the 737,[44] in Zhoushan, China,[45] the first outside the U.S.[46] This facility initially handles interior finishing only, but will subsequently be expanded to include paintwork. And then you complain that nobody else is using what you insist is the only correct way to communicate — unemotionally (despite hundreds of people now dead), like some sort of desiccated automaton? Lion Airlines Boeing 737 (MAX); PK-LQP Tanjung Karawang, West Java, Republic of Indonesia 29 October 2018", "Boeing issues operational manual guidance to airlines following Lion Air crash", "Ethiopian Airlines: 'No survivors' on crashed Boeing 737", "Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX involved in fatal crash", "Ethiopian Airlines crash: inquiry to explore how 'excellent' pilot was unable to avert disaster", "Investigators find 2nd piece of key evidence in crash of Boeing 737 Max 8 in Ethiopia", "Ethiopian Airlines crew 'followed rules, unable to control jet, "When Will the Boeing 737 MAX Fly Again? Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! Fortunately, since MCAS is predominantly software, and the hardware in place can most likely continue to function with the newly fixed MCAS implementation, the process to transition into re-certification can be more readily accomplished than if significant hardware revamping were to be required! [200] Evidence retrieved on the crash site suggests that, at the time of the crash, the aircraft was configured to dive, similar to Lion Air Flight 610. Until then I will never fly a MAX. Amazing how my comment evoked such a lengthy retort. It is important to consider the other factors, however, such as poor maintenance (Lion Air) and poor crew training and insufficient experience (Lion Air and Ethiopian). ———————————————————————————————————————— Let´s be serious here. [32], On August 13, 2015, the first 737 MAX fuselage completed assembly at Spirit Aerosystems in Wichita, Kansas, for a test aircraft that would eventually be delivered to launch customer Southwest Airlines. If today we stuck a 737-100 fuselage with the new engines it is likely it … [24] Studies for additional drag reduction were performed during 2011, including revised tail cone, natural laminar flow nacelle, and hybrid laminar flow vertical stabilizer. Better and more fuel-efficient engines can significantly push the range of the aircraft like the 737. Simple derivatives like the MAX10 don’t get much media attention compared to a brand new airplane. The aircraft is configured with First, Economy Plus and Economy Class seating. To date, Southwest Airlines is the biggest operator of MAXs in the United States, with 34 of them. [158], In October 2016, Boeing's board of directors granted authority to offer the stretched variant with two extra fuselage sections forward and aft with a 3,100 nautical miles (3,600 mi; 5,700 km) range reduced from 3,300 nautical miles (3,800 mi; 6,100 km) of the -9. PARIS – United Airlines made a blockbuster announcement Tuesday at the Paris Air Show, shifting 100 of its outstanding 737 MAX orders to Boeing’s newly launched 737 MAX 10. This was the first fatal aviation accident and first hull loss of a 737 MAX. [65][66][67] The rising costs also led Moody's to downgrade Boeing's credit rating. 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[155], To compete with the Airbus A321neo, loyal customers such as Korean Air and United Airlines pressed Boeing to develop a larger variant than the MAX 9, of which Boeing revealed studies in early 2016. Opinions expressed here are the author's alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. [19] The A320neo gathered 667 commitments at the June 2011, Paris Air Show for a backlog of 1,029 units since its launch, setting an order record for a new commercial airliner. [30], The 737 MAX extended spoilers are fly-by-wire controlled. It succeeds the Boeing 737 Next Generation (NG). In what world was that sentence an exclamation? Like Ben says, this is truly sad to see those hard working folks out like that and despite how hard they work, that will not fix the design problem. https://hub.united.com/meet-boeing-737-max-10-2447012142.html I find your comments interesting. [190] Of these, Boeing anticipates an actual backlog of 3,333 when orders unlikely to proceed are recognized. Put it to a vote and let’s see what the public thinks of that idiocy.” —, See my reply to @ron above … I’m obviously not referring to planes falling out of the sky! [12][13] Boeing modified the MCAS after the fatal accidents, and suspended production in January 2020 with approximately 400 MAX airplanes awaiting delivery. The 737 MAX family is designed to offer the greatest flexibility, reliability and efficiency in the single-aisle market. [96] You sound unhinged and not a little obsessed. [14] Production resumed in May 2020 at a low rate. It took its maiden flight on January 29, 2016 and was certified by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in March 2017. I WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER FLY THE MAX. ", "Breaking News: Basarnas Pastikan Pesawat Lion Air JT 610 Jatuh", "Pilot Who Hitched a Ride Saved Lion Air 737 Day Before Deadly Crash", "Aircraft Accident Investigation Report. @Billc: 387 delivered to customers as of March 2019, Airframe only: $1–1.8 billion; including engine development: $2–3B, 28–29 in (71–74 cm) in high density, 29–30 in (74–76 cm) in economy, 36 in (91 cm) in business, 117 ft 10 in / 35.92 m span, 1,370 sq ft (127 m, 6,820 USgal / 25,816 L – 45,694 lb / 20,730 kg (no, *Overlapping production times like between the 747-400 and the 747-8 have been decided in favor of newer models, This page was last edited on 10 January 2021, at 17:52. Wow…Boeing PR team is on overdrive this morning. The larger engine is cantilevered ahead of and slightly above the wing, and the laminar flow engine nacelle lipskin is a GKN Aerospace one-piece, spun-formed aluminum sheet inspired by the 787. [112] A new bleed air digital regulator will improve its reliability. . Usually an airline debuting a new plane type is big news, though that’s not the case for Boeing today. [150], The 737 MAX 9 will replace the 737-900 and has a longer fuselage than the MAX 8. [103] Most of the systems are carried from the 737NG for a short differences-training course to upgrade flight crews. Again stretching the limits. [42] After parked airplanes peaked at 53 at the beginning of September, Boeing reduced this by nine the following month, as deliveries rose to 61 from 29 in July and 48 in August. United Airlines on Friday removed the troubled Boeing 737 Max from its schedule through early June, longer than any U.S. carrier. The “preferred” way to address this issue would have been to design a brand new landing gear to give the body of the 737 higher ground clearance, but that would have greatly delayed the program by creating new conditions upon its future operations and therefore would have mandated totally new pilot training and certification processes, thus further delaying entry into service! [33] On December 8, 2015, the first 737 MAX—a MAX 8 named Spirit of Renton—was rolled out at the Boeing Renton Factory. The same people… Get real.” —, Boeing botched the implementation of the MCAS system on the MAX … that is just one component of that complex aircraft system! @The nice Paul — “… he clearly doesn’t know its proper purpose and he’s subtracting further credibility from his posts …” —. [77] At the time of the grounding, the 737 MAX had 4,636 unfilled orders[186] valued at an estimated $600 billion. If you read my previous posts, Boeing had no choice but to “evolve” the 737 into the 737-MAX in the way that they did (ie, using MCAS) due to many factors that arose from marketing dynamics, rather than engineering preferences! The same people… Get real. Remove the stretched fuselage and added capacity out of the equation, and Boeing would have had no problem re-engineing the 737NG and keeping the same old wing and landing gear. [102] Boeing plans no major modifications for the 737 MAX flight deck, as it wants to maintain commonality with the 737 Next Generation family. [50], The 737 MAX gained Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) certification on March 8, 2017. ‘……..MCAS and thus WE ended…….’. it offers lower trips costs than the competition, the lowest trip costs, which minimizes the risk airlines take on as they grow. Hence, the software is suppose to compensate for this flaw. [7] The MAX development cost could have been well over the US$2 bn internal target and closer to US$4 bn. [134] The MAX 8 has a lower empty weight and higher maximum takeoff weight than the A320neo. However, the MAX would have been stable even without MCAS, according to both the FAA and EASA. [114] This was necessary to meet Boeing's internal objective of minimizing training requirements for pilots already qualified on the 737NG. FULL STOP. [34][35][36], Because GKN could not produce the titanium honeycomb inner walls for the thrust reversers quickly enough, Boeing switched to a composite part produced by Spirit to deliver 47 MAXs per month in 2017. @Pogonation — “I find your comments interesting. Yeah a clean sheets design wasn’t possible. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images) In July, Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun said the planemaker hoped for a re-certification of the MAX in the fourth quarter. So it’s not that anyone is intentionally stereotyping SE Asia and Africa, but the past circumstances were what they were …. However in order to give credibility to your posts I would like to know which university you went to (the best in the world one), and the names of the 8 high tech engineering companies you set up. Or are you going to just pile on with inanities about my writing style? The previous generations of the Boeing 737 averaged 0.2 accidents per million flights. Good Grief! [28], In March 2010, the estimated cost to re-engine the 737 according to Mike Bair, Boeing Commercial Airplanes' vice president of business strategy & marketing, would be US$2–3 billion including the CFM engine development. Boeing was reported to internally expect production to be halted for at least 60 days. As for your continuing criticism of my using exclamation points, I’ve now decided that you can use those the way that YOU want to, and I’m going to just use them the way that I want to! For my own flights I definitely prefer planes that always function instead of mostly. In its initial production version of MCAS, Boeing screwed up the Implementation of a long validated and practiced Concept of using software within the aircraft system’s control feedback loop … Boeing also neglected to use the full hardware potentials present in the product (eg, relying on just one AOA sensor at a time when two were available, etc) … these are all well-known issues and are being “fixed” in order for re-certification to take place …, Additionally, Boeing did make a bad presumption about requiring MCAS to be exposed to pilots, since it was trying to forego requirements to re-qualify pilots for the MAX beyond the NG series. [113] The new nacelles being larger and more forward possess aerodynamic properties which act to further increase the pitch rate. Investigations faulted cover-up of a known defect by Boeing and lapses in the certification by the FAA. ———————————————————————————————————————— Your email address will not be published. The engines being too large to fit in the traditional manner under the 737 wings is not a design flaw, per se! [30] To preserve fuel and payload capacity, its maximum takeoff weight is 7,000 lb (3,200 kg) heavier. [77][14] The 737 MAX program was Boeing's largest source of profit. In fact, the re-certified 737-MAX can be argued to be much safer than some of those other airliners in service, after having gone through such extraordinarily stringent reviews and tests by multiple world aviation safety agencies during its re-certification process! Boeing claims that the plane has the lowest seat-mile cost of any single-aisle airplane ever produced. The A350 program was launched around December 10, 2004 and first customer delivery was on January 15, 2015, taking around 11-years 2-months to finish. Following the Lion Air crash, Boeing issued an operational manual guidance, advising airlines on how to address erroneous cockpit readings. [26] Boeing expected the 737 MAX to meet or exceed the range of the Airbus A320neo. Boeing, however, got overly sloppy in how they implemented MCAS and thus we ended up with the problems today. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. United is the biggest customer of the 737 MAX 10, with 100 of the planes on order. If Boeing went belly up we would be forced to buy Airbus/other euro builds for most airframes with the exception of some fighter jets which Lockheed makes. While the 787 is reasonably comfortable in terms of noise levels, and certainly a few steps up from the again very noisy 777, even the 787 does not come close to the A330 in terms of comfort and noise, let alone the A350 and A380 who are comfort wise and esp with regards to noise levels a class in their own. [58], The first delivery was a MAX 8, handed over to Malindo Air (a subsidiary of Lion Air) on May 16, 2017; it entered service on May 22. Just imagine what the order book would look like if they had adapted the 787 technologies to a new clean-sheet aircraft with composite materials and new engines. The standard seats in Economy feature a redesign of the back literature pocket and tray table to provide additional legspace. Boeing’s 737 MAX returned to United States skies in late December with a flight from Miami to New York City [File: Bloomberg] Boeing Co will pay over $2.5bn to resolve the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) investigation into two deadly 737 MAX … Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. [38] It made its roll-out on March 7, 2017, and first flight on April 13, 2017;[151] it took off from Renton Municipal Airport and landed at Boeing Field after a 2 hr 42 min flight. Its’ Boeing 737 MAX 9 features 159 seats, 20 first-class seats, 48 premium economy seats, and 111 economy seats. The plane can seat up to 230 people and has a range of up to 3,300 nautical miles. The 8 in (20 cm) taller nose-gear strut keeps the same 17-inch (43 cm) ground clearance of the engine nacelles. [22] As this sale included a Most-Favoured-Customer Clause, Airbus has to refund any difference to American if it sells to another airline at a lower price, so the European manufacturer cannot give a competitive price to competitor United Airlines, leaving it to a Boeing-skewed fleet. The same inadequate co-pilot training issue is also very significant in the Ethiopian Air crash! [38] As production standard, the 737 MAX features the Boeing Sky Interior with overhead bins and LED lighting based on the Boeing 787's interior. The last pre-suspension fuselages entered final assembly in early January 2020. If I did my arithmetic correctly, this means that the 737-MAX took around 5-years 9-months to finish and Airbus NEO took around 6-years 2-months to finish … and 737-MAX still got to market much later than the Airbus NEO by 1-year 4-months. I now see NO POINT to conforming on that, anymore! It is at 371.34 and just went up about $5 today. [25] Boeing abandoned the development of a new design. I’m embarrassed for him too. Furthermore, there is nothing inherently wrong about continuing to use an existing airframe, if it is still up to the task, since the manufacturing tooling and supply bases can respond much more quickly and smoothly to transition the new version into production! [85] Boeing did not disclose any possible effect on deliveries caused by the FAA's withdrawal of Boeing's delegated authority to certify the airworthiness of each aircraft. [136], In September 2014, Boeing launched a high-density version of the 737 MAX 8, the 737 MAX 200, named for seating for up to 200 passengers in a single-class high-density configuration with slimline seats; an extra pair of exit doors is required because of the higher passenger capacity. Lucky, you need to edit the “Bottom Line” section…, @John — “Are you seriously content to fly a plane that ‘mostly’ functions? On every platform on the internet and in every newspaper… Driven by the existing retraction system, a shrink-link mechanical linkage mechanism at the top of the leg, inspired by carrier aircraft designs, allows the gear to be drawn in and shortened while being retracted into the existing wheel well. As of August 2018[update], assembly was underway with a first flight planned for late 2019. [75] This is why it isn’t an easy fix in the software (the airplane design isn’t like its predecessors).” —. Luckily, since the hardware can mostly function after MCAS gets fixed with proper software, the re-certification process can proceed much more quickly than otherwise! The first aircraft was delivered from the facility to Air China on December 15, 2018. Mark Jenks, Boeing’s VP and GM of the 737 program, had the following to say: “Today is not just about a new airplane. No doubt this one is unstable as well. For my own flights I definitely prefer planes that always function instead of mostly.” —. Alaska Airlines Maybe their engineers overestimated their abilities? @Owen — “So yall instead target their geopolitics of the not being part of the 1st-world being Southeast Asia and Africa?” —, Who ever said that Boeing did not share any blame? ———————————————————————————————————————— [21] The order broke Boeing's monopoly with the airline and forced Boeing into a re-engined 737. [163][164] United Airlines will be the largest 737 MAX 10 customer, converting 100 of their 161 orders for the MAX 9 into orders for the MAX 10. [110][111], The nacelle features chevrons for noise reduction like the 787. [11] The airplane's Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) had malfunctioned on both flights. Walk the dog. [72] Billc – please fly on the ‘fixed’ MAX and if nothing happens for a few years, I might fly one. The flight was a scheduled domestic flight to Depati Amir Airport, Pangkal Pinang, Indonesia. @BillC thank you for a very clear and educated response. As United Airlines prepares to resume flight training for the 737 MAX and convince employees that the aircraft is safe, it will base operations out of two hubs. The first customer delivery of the 737-MAX was on May 22, 2017. Boeing had a very capable single aisle aircraft in the 757, including a good range and capacity !!! [191], On October 29, 2018, Lion Air Flight 610, 737 MAX 8 registration PK-LQP, plunged into the Java Sea 13 minutes after takeoff from Soekarno–Hatta International Airport, Jakarta, Indonesia. [149], Airlines have been shown a 737-8ERX concept based on the 737 MAX 8 with a higher 194,700 lb (88.3 t) maximum take-off weight using wings, landing gear and central section from the MAX 9 to provide a longer range of 4,000 nautical miles (4,600 mi; 7,400 km) with seating for 150, closer to the Airbus A321LR. And then there are now apparently socially “correct” ways to express oneself (which I ascribe to origins from Political Correctness that want to dictate only certain “approved” ways and methods for self-expressions) … if only the vast majority of the public-at-large were able to think rationally, and not react so totally emotionally, then I think that this world will exhibit a lot more sanity and less emotional nonsense …, So you see? As far as the first deliveries of the 737 MAX are concerned, United says it is dependent on regulators re-certifying the plane. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. The FAA grounding order was lifted on November 18, 2020;[71] all aircraft must be repaired to comply with various airworthiness directives. [37], A new spar-assembly line with robotic drilling machines should increase throughput by 33%. 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